Lastly, while Pattison touts his life-coach talents as much as his dog-handling skill, I really have no interest in these family-and-friend scenarios, watching the owner get her nails painted, etc.
Making the lady feel empowered in her life is something Millan has shown in many episodes, but he does it by showing the owners how to control their Dog, demonstrating that the human is in charge of the dog and not the other way around, and how calm assertive energy can make a difference in other areas of your life, but without subjecting the audience to watching closeups of the owner getting a pedicure. Brad still just kicks me off a little. His personality is just too annoying for me.
Okay, I just played the first of the two Pattison dog episodes from yesterday. I took notes, so lots of comments. Both good and bad, interestingly. In chronological order, not order of importance:. I still hate the Dog-Whisperer-ripoff warning text up front, and the Me-Or-The-Dog-ripoff use of the PC with the simulated inserted video in his living room, but these gripes are really about sleazy producers than about dog training per se.
Getting the wife to start crying seems to be a recurrent theme in these shows. When Pattison puts the dog on a leash and applies steady tension and recommends that they wait out the dog under tension I have to disagree, but by the end of the show the dogs are all walking nicely so this one is empirically going to have to wait a while.
Where was the dog training in there? There was little to nothing about how they got thier dogs to behave. The owners moving around the dogs instead of moving straight into them and making them move. I have to say I like Victoria just a little over this guy. He even held a Boston Terrier up by her neck with a leash just to get her to sit down he claims that pushing down on their butt can damage thier spine [?! Anyone who likes this guy must be either crazy or ignorant.
I look forward to trading observations on all of the above. Some physical abuse might be in order… or at least verbal. Ah, my mental fantacies are wonderful sometimes. Yeah — it is especially strange to me why anyone would attend his classes and endure his abuse — not just on their dogs, but on themselves.
It would be great to hear from some of his supporters though. Maybe we are all missing something …. We just see it as the way a dog communicates naturally. Shock collars are debated in the forum on his website. The reason I bring this up is because a shock collar is a negative stimulus. Like in the case of the tire-biting dog, though, it was nessesary to keep that dog safe.
Shock collars are aversive, and some people on the site think they are just cruel. The people on the site are very friendly and willing to give information.
That is very well said, my friend. It really was not my intention to equate Pattison with either Stilwell or Millan. As I explained to Alex above, my message is simply that as is shown by Pattison and Stilwell, using aversive methods on people, is not an effective way of teaching.
If there are particular areas that you think I have misrepresented Millan or come across as being too harsh, please let me know, and I will definitely try to fix it. I also appreciate your comments, participation, as well as willingness to both engage and listen.
An aversive method is simply a method that applies an aversive stimulus — i. Victoria Stilwell often does the same thing with her clients — i. As you see, aversive methods need not always involve pain, although in the case of Pattison there is certainly intimidation involved wrt.
This is in contrast to Cesar Millan who is extremely adept at using reward methods on his human clients. He is always calm, positive, and provides them with a lot of encouragement. I think this is one of the key areas of his genius, and is one of the reasons why he is so popular and successful with people. This is also beneficial to his clients, because they learn more quickly and have fun learning. Indeed, experts in behavioral psychology say that reward methods are generally more effective even for cases of control.
This is what B. I believe that the same holds for dogs — i. That is all. This is not to say that aversive methods do not work, but merely that I believe positive controls are more effective. I also believe that they are easier to implement and contains fewer risks. Hope that better explains my position. My frustration with your well-intentioned article, one seemingly aimed at that same target, was that it then jumped to superficial equation of his technique to that of the frequently Zen-like Cesar Millan, a person as far on the opposite side of the personality spectrum as one could ever find.
This guy need to get balanced himself before he should ever be allowed to get near a dog. Anyone who is going to get mad at the owners and then take it out on a dog is a danger to themselves, the owners, and most importantly, the dogs.
Please give me a definition of aversive. It seems like everyone has a different deffinition, and in the terms of dog training it seems very negative to you. Leash corrections can be a bit harsh at times no matter who is using the leash.
Even being around a dog with negative energy is harmful to the dog.. The article above only skims the surface regarding this Pattison character. In these classes no treats are allowed at any time for the dogs, ever. The guy is flaming nutjob. His disgusting, pedantic, grating obnoxiousnous comes thru right away when one watches him behave with the owners on his rip-off TV show. I mention Cesar Millan and Victoria Stilwell because they are popular television dog trainers and would provide interesting contrasts to Brad Pattison.
In the article I simply point out factual differences between the training styles. Millan has a heavy emphasis on calm, assertive energy which is a positive aspect that Pattison does not show in the short video clip. Millan also uses aversive methods, including leash corrections, which are also used by Pattison. Stilwell also uses verbal aversive methods on the dog owners, similar to Pattison, but she does not use them on the dogs.
If you do not think that any of these points are factually accurate, then please let me know and I will correct them. Mikeli-Jones did not support his earlier visit, and is glad to see people have done more research on Pattison, she said. The Canadian Veterinary Medical Association favours reward-based methods. If a reward-based method is used, there should be no place for physical force, said Dr. Warren Skippon, a veterinarian with the association.
The funds will go toward things like repairing fences at the Mae Bachur Animal Shelter. Three dogs have been injured in the last six months while digging under the fence, said Cuthbert. People expressed concerns about him coming, said Dylan Powell, executive director of the society.
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